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I’ve been around this long enough—through the Novus Ordo, into the TLM circuit, and out the other side—to recognize what you’re doing here. You’re appealing to the Church’s divine constitution, but you’re stopping short of where that constitution actually binds.

Your own source admits Christ “founded the Church as a living body… not to be examined as a human institution” . Exactly. And that living body is not defined by scattered titles or surviving forms, but by a living, juridical order—Peter, the Apostles, and those sent by them.

It also states plainly that Christ “confided the jurisdiction of supreme pastor… to Peter” . That’s the key you’re avoiding. Jurisdiction is not ambient. It is conferred. It flows.

So here’s the problem: you’re trying to preserve “something” (titles, clergy, rites) while bypassing the very principle that makes them real—mission from Peter. That’s exactly what Anglicans do. They have structure, continuity claims, even external resemblance—but no jurisdiction, no mission, no authority in the Church.

Thomism doesn’t allow that. No cause, no effect.

So if the constitution you appeal to requires a living transmission of jurisdiction—and it does—then where is it? Not assumed. Not inferred. Demonstrated.

If it cannot be demonstrated, then what remains may look like the Church—but it does not participate in her juridical life.

And without mission, there is no priesthood in act, and without that, no true Mass.

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